(06:24:56) الغرباء: http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?p=123828#post123828
(06:25:14) أبو مبارك: السلام عليكم
(06:25:33) الغرباء: walaykum asalam brother
(06:25:51) أبو مبارك: i cant see that page
(06:25:58) أبو مبارك: i am not a registered member of mpacuk
(06:26:34) الغرباء: oh ok
(06:27:00) الغرباء: these people r a joke
(06:27:00) الغرباء: they love democracy
(06:27:00) الغرباء: and belive voting is jihad
(06:27:09) الغرباء: they hate those who call for shariah
(06:27:20) أبو مبارك: we have them on ummah.com
(06:27:21) الغرباء: say kawarij are the ones who call for law of allah
(06:27:34) أبو مبارك: not many, alhamdulillah
(06:27:40) أبو مبارك: but they too are part of this ummah
(06:27:41) الغرباء: but they are silenced.. on their forum they attacked ummah.com for being ectremem lol
(06:27:45) أبو مبارك: and they either help or hurt the ummah
(06:27:51) أبو مبارك: until the muslims stand for islam
(06:28:03) الغرباء: true
(06:28:04) الغرباء: im on their forum
(06:28:05) أبو مبارك: they say ummah.com is extremist?
(06:28:05) الغرباء: trying to discuss
(06:28:09) الغرباء: but they swear insult
(06:28:29) الغرباء: tyes they called ummah.com extremist for attacking mpacs ideas
(06:28:46) أبو مبارك: akhi, i dont want to call them kafirs, but if they do not have the adab of the prophet as an example, what do you expect from them but insults?
(06:28:59) أبو مبارك: i didnt know so many people listened to ummah.com
(06:29:03) أبو مبارك: alhamdulillah
(06:29:33) الغرباء: bro trust me
(06:29:37) الغرباء: im on their forum
(06:29:45) الغرباء: they swear at me
(06:29:47) الغرباء: call me names
(06:29:51) الغرباء: degrade me
(06:29:53) الغرباء: call me mad
(06:29:55) الغرباء: looney
(06:30:02) أبو مبارك: you are an extremist fundamentalist with militant radical ideas
(06:30:10) أبو مبارك: an islamist
(06:30:15) أبو مبارك: who practices islamism
(06:30:18) الغرباء: they want to fit into western ulture
(06:30:20) أبو مبارك: but then again, all good muslims are
(06:30:23) أبو مبارك: yes akhi
(06:30:24) أبو مبارك: we know that
(06:30:34) الغرباء: there was a progrme on tv last nite
(06:30:35) أبو مبارك: and these idiots have worked hard to come up with this new approach
(06:30:42) الغرباء: tariq ramadhan going around europe
(06:30:51) الغرباء: saying we should adapt to western life
(06:30:52) أبو مبارك: can you believe that there are people who sit around and try to figure out how to thwart the growth of islam?
(06:30:55) الغرباء: change so to fit in
(06:31:02) أبو مبارك: yes akhi
(06:31:11) أبو مبارك: because the west is superior to islam
(06:31:12) الغرباء: of course there are akhi
(06:31:15) أبو مبارك: in their eyes
(06:31:24) أبو مبارك: the sad thing akhi
(06:31:34) أبو مبارك: is that there are muslims who came before us who will have to answer for this
(06:31:34) الغرباء: they sit and plan and plot on how to destroy the rise of islam
(06:31:49) الغرباء: allah is the best of planners
(06:31:49) أبو مبارك: because of their short-sightedness, they led the ummah into this path
(06:32:08) أبو مبارك: this is why it is incumbent upon every muslim to strive hard to practice correct islam
(06:32:12) الغرباء: true
(06:32:17) أبو مبارك: because your deeds not only effect you, but those after you
(06:32:21) الغرباء: exactly akhi
(06:32:24) أبو مبارك: a brother and i were discussing kissing the quran
(06:32:30) الغرباء: they get help from the government
(06:32:34) أبو مبارك: he asked, what is wrong with kissing the quran
(06:32:38) الغرباء: to spread western version of islam
(06:32:45) أبو مبارك: i said akhi, there is nothing wrong with YOU kissing the quran
(06:32:51) أبو مبارك: its when others see you and imitate you
(06:33:03) أبو مبارك: with your generation, they may look at it as a nice thing to do
(06:33:11) أبو مبارك: the next generation will consider it sunnah
(06:33:17) أبو مبارك: and after that, they will make it fard
(06:33:22) الغرباء: true
(06:33:33) أبو مبارك: so a muslim will be considered a kafifr for not kissing the quran
(06:33:34) الغرباء: thats how idol worshipping came about
(06:33:40) أبو مبارك: exactly
(06:33:47) أبو مبارك: each group chips a little at the deen
(06:33:56) أبو مبارك: and these guys do not look beyond their petty achievements
(06:34:00) أبو مبارك: so they want muslims to vote
(06:34:08) أبو مبارك: which is not a bad thing, but it leads to worse
(06:34:14) الغرباء: true
(06:34:16) أبو مبارك: if it was a one time thing, it wouldnt be a problem
(06:34:22) أبو مبارك: but no, from there, you set a precedence
(06:34:39) الغرباء: they tend to judge with their own ration rather than look at quran and sunnah
(06:34:49) أبو مبارك: exactly
(06:34:57) أبو مبارك: so they see benefit today
(06:35:06) أبو مبارك: but in essence it is taking away from the muslims
(06:35:12) أبو مبارك: we are supposed to be holding strong to islam
(06:35:20) أبو مبارك: but instead they are weakening the muslims
(06:35:45) أبو مبارك: if you look at the history of the muslims in andalusia
(06:35:47) أبو مبارك: the same thing
(06:36:00) أبو مبارك: they took the short road to success and wound up destroying the muslims
(06:36:20) أبو مبارك: they let petty differences between muslims result in befriending the kuffar, which destroyed the muslims
(06:36:55) أبو مبارك: there were muslim governors who chose to seek protection from the christian kings against the muslims
(06:36:56) الغرباء: TRUE
(06:37:01) أبو مبارك: and if you look today, they are doing the samething
(06:37:06) الغرباء: AKHI I SUED TO THINK BEFORE HOW CAN THEY DESTROY ISLAM
(06:37:12) أبو مبارك: befriending russia
(06:37:13) الغرباء: BUT LOOK HOW THEY DONE IT IN THE PAST
(06:37:17) أبو مبارك: befriending bush and the usa
(06:37:18) الغرباء: USED MUSLIMS AGASINT EACH OTHER
(06:37:20) الغرباء: SAME NOW
(06:37:22) أبو مبارك: exactly
(06:37:32) أبو مبارك: egypt is closer to the usa than it is to pakistan
(06:37:41) أبو مبارك: and pakistan is closer to the usa than it is to egypt
(06:37:43) الغرباء: may allah guide us all
(06:37:45) أبو مبارك: amin
(06:37:49) الغرباء: true
(06:37:50) أبو مبارك: but we must strive for guidance
(06:38:00) الغرباء: they fear the kuffar rahter than to fear allah
(06:38:01) أبو مبارك: we cant seek misguidance and ask to be guided
(06:38:07) الغرباء: look at self interest and benefit
(06:38:12) الغرباء: rather than stand up for islam
(06:38:27) أبو مبارك: exactly, so you see the situation of the muslims today is a direct result of muslims of the past leading the ummah to this path of humiliation
(06:38:35) أبو مبارك: so now today, we have mpacuk doing the same thing
(06:38:43) أبو مبارك: as is the leaders of the muslim world
(06:39:03) أبو مبارك: each party looking at whatever benefit they can get, and no one looking toward the quran the sunnah and whats best for the ummah
(06:39:32) الغرباء: very trueThe Evils of Moderates and other Reformers
